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bekleyeceğim pronunciation
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bwac14

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English-US
Merhaba,

Someone said: Seni bekleyeceğim
And it sounded like : "beklicem"

I asked a Turkish speaker and he said some people pronounce it like that but his explanation wasn't really clear.

My question is whether pronouncing it like "beklicem" would be correct. (Or is it a different dialect or informal?)

And are there some phonetic rules that I could learn on how to shorten the pronunciations (maybe even for other words)?
Because words like "bekleyeceğim" are really hard to pronounce for me, and "beklicem" is much more easier.

For example, could I pronounce "yiyeceğim" as: "yiyecem" ?

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  • misi2991

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    Turkish
    Contrary to popular belief, Turkish isn't read the way it is written. That person's pronunciation of "bekleyeceğim" as "beklicem" is correct. As for "yiyeceğim", it should be pronounced like "yiyicem".
     

    Rallino

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    Turkish
    Bekliicem or Bekliycem are more like it. With a long i, that is. And the negative beklemeyeceğim is pronounced beklemiycem or beklemiicem.

    For example, could I pronounce "yiyeceğim" as: "yiyecem" ?
    Some people do say yiyecem. It depends on the regional accent. But on the TV, you will only hear "yiyicem" as misi2991 said.
     
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    LeBro

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    Turkish
    Contrary to popular belief, Turkish isn't read the way it is written. That person's pronunciation of "bekleyeceğim" as "beklicem" is correct.
    I will disagree with this view that Turkish is not read the way it is written (which I have come to realize that this actually seems to be the popular view nowadays). I mean the apparent difference between the written and oral forms of the future tense suffix “-AcAk” is not the best example to support this claim. I don’t wanna sound like a smart-ass, but to me, “bekleyeceğim” is pronounced as “bekleyeceğim”, there is no linguistic rule in Turkish which prescribes that it should be pronounced differently. On the other hand, "bekli(i)cem/bekliycem" is, relevant but, somewhat different. Furthermore no one would say you pronounced it wrong if you said “bekleyeceğim”. So saying that “it is correct” or “it should be pronounced as…” sounds a bit steep to me in this respect. The same goes for the present continuous tense suffix “-yor” as well; written for example as “bekliyorum” but can be heard as “bekliyom”. No other example comes to my mind now to put forward the claim that “Turkish is read differently” (Oh yes, there is also “değil”, which sometimes pronounced as “diil”). It should also be noted in this point that there is no single writing system which reflects all the features of a particular language, no need for this though.

    I think what happens here with these tense suffixes is an example of form changing (which is/can not be standardized for now). While using the present continuous tense suffix forms without “-r” (i.e. for example "bekliyom") still sound rude and uneducated in many settings, the future tense suffix “-cA” has received wide acceptance and doesn’t sound as rude as the present continuous tense suffix “-yo” does. So, from a general linguistic point of view, both “bekleyeceğim” and “bekliicem”/“bekliycem” (just like “bekliyorum” and “bekliyom”) are all correct because people use them. But they all have their own place, i.e. register. For example, yes, if someone insists on going around like “geleceğim”, “gideceğim”, “edeceğim”, I am sure that people will start asking him/her why (s)he speaks the way they did in old Turkish movies. So it can be said that the everyday language form has all but replaced “-AcAk” in speech. For that very reason, we can say that a learner of Turkish can also use these forms without concern.

    But I don’t think that a change in a grammatical unit (which is/can not be reflected in writing) is enough to claim that Turkish is not pronounced as is written, as if to the same extent in English. Turkish in fact has a highly phonemic orthography.

    I hope I did not disrupt the flow.
     

    Rallino

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    Turkish
    I would like to add that, in the East, the tendency is to pronounce the -eceğim / -acağım as written. Especially in the Kurdish villages of Elâzığ, Erzincan, and possibly Malatya, there is little to no reduction in the future tense suffix. Bekleyeceğim would be pronounced fully as bek-le-ye-ce-ğim, rather than the bekliycem which is more common everywhere else.
     
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    misi2991

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    Turkish
    Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I'm not acting as language police here. I know that language is a means for communication. If someone is able to hold up their end of a conversation in the language they speak, rules are not a big deal. However, there is a standard way to speak Turkish in Turkey. Whether one agrees to it or not is a personal choice.
     

    Rallino

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    Turkish
    It's the pronunciation that speech coaches teach. It's what you hear on TV series and dramas. So, in that sense, yes.

    However, this is somewhat of a "taboo" amongst the native speakers. Almost everyone does it, but no one wants to acknowledge it as the modern-day correct pronunciation. So you will see a lot of people on the forums that go "oh no no no. It is actually wrong. The correct pronunciation should be as it is written, so stop teaching the learners wrongly."

    But the reality is that "bekli(y)cem" is the only pronunciation you will hear on TV unless there is a character that is speaking with a deliberate regional accent.
     
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